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{{Infobox Lostwave
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|Name = Treadmill Of Time
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|Genre = Synthpop/Post-Punk
|Length = 4.39
|Year = 1981 (falsely claimed)
|Status = Nearly Solved
|OP = CharlieMillesManson
|Search_started = 2002
|Media =Treadmilloftime.mp3
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'''Treadmill Of Time''' is a nearly solved lostwave.
'''Treadmill of Time ('''also known as '''"Slow Down" and "Not Sure Of It All Anymore" )''' is a mysterious synthpop song misattributed to Depeche Mode under the name "Treadmill of Fire", with the false claim that it was a 1981 demo by keyboardist Alan Wilder.  
 
It was originally uploaded to YouTube in December 2020, falsely claimed to be a 1981 demo by Alan Wilder (Depeche Mode).


== Background ==
== Background ==
On December 17, 2020, @buildist (Jacob Morgan) on YouTube uploaded a song falsely claimed to be a 1981 demo by Adam Wilder from Depeche Mode.
On April 25th, 2002, the song was first mentioned on the internet by a Slovakian Depeche Mode fansite, depechemode-sk.<ref>https://www-depechemode-sk.translate.goog/magazin/clanok/zaujimavosti-o-depeche-mode-1-cast?_x_tr_sl=sk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc</ref> It was labelled a fake song because it appeared on a 2002 bootleg Depeche Mode album titled "On Solo Ways...".<ref>https://forum.klix.ba/muzika-f19/depeche-mode-t59965.html</ref>


Before that, someone uploaded the song on the Depeche Mode wiki, along with two other songs presumedly from the same artist.
On September 8th, 2010, YouTube user CharlieMillesManson first uploaded the song to YouTube with the false title "Depeche Mode - Treadmill Of Fire (Demo Version)", along with numerous other rare Depeche Mode songs.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOdQFm_ZRI</ref>


It is extremely likely that the song could be by Memorybank since they are Facebook mutuals with Depeche Mode and have been claiming the song is theirs before there was an active search.
On October 15th, 2019, the song was posted to spiritofradio.ca, claiming that it, along with two other songs from the bootleg album, Chart Rundown and Here to Have Fun, were originally sourced from a radio broadcast from the mid-1980s or early 1990s, with the DJ or host claiming Alan Wilder as the creator.<ref>https://spiritofradio.ca/SongComments.asp?SongID=3190</ref> The broadcast also included "Disco Hell," an actual early track from Wilder's band,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FBLAfawIQ</ref> "Daphne and the Tenderspots." The station and broadcaster remain unknown.


A massive lead came up when someone mentioned the Turkish band Voyagers, suggesting that the singer goes by the name of Gonsu. A song by the Voyagers exists on YouTube, and the voice sounds nearly identical. Gonsu has been contacted but with no response. His mutual friend Gokhan, who is a presumed member of the band, has also been contacted on May 22-23, 2024.
== Leads ==


However, evidence has been found against this lead. u/Pandalism on Reddit says:
=== Possible ===


* '''Memorybank''': A recent lead has raised the possibility of an unknown band known as "Memorybank" or "Memorial" being the creators of the song. This started when someone using the YouTube handle "Nik Lawrence" left a now-deleted comment claiming to know the band. He told the search team that he recognized the group as "Memorial" and that "T Addy" and "J Lewis" of Southampton were most likely the ones who recorded it in 1988.<ref name=":0">https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/18lu1fk/treadmill_of_time_fire_consolidated_info/</ref> In February 2023, someone named Tim Addy was contacted and claimed to be involved, but used a different name for the band. calling it "Memorybank".<ref>https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftreadmill-of-time-fire-consolidated-info-v0-ha4yen83q67c1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D223c6fbafe6865c188054c01cd86da9df8e8c022</ref> The person who claims to be Tim Addy or Nik Lawrence has not provided any additional evidence proving that Memorybank created the song, and no proof that the band existed has been discovered.<ref name=":0" /> However, a person named Nik Lawrence from Hampshire, England, was proven to exist from a Depeche Mode fan magazine from 1989.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/18lu1fk/comment/ke0rdzx/</ref><ref>https://dmlive.wiki/wiki/BONG_6</ref>


“''This turned out not to be true. Original source of the info was a Facebook comment by someone who knew Tansu, but they later edited it to add that they contacted him and it's not [https://www.facebook.com/groups/23196533715/permalink/10160042603513716/?comment_id=10160044934578716 Voyagers].''  
* '''Deca Dance''': Australian band investigated due to similar style and vocals<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/1aypp3w/posible_lead_to_treadmille_of_time_decadance/?rdt=45597</ref>
* '''Minimal Compact''': Israeli band investigated after another fake Alan Wilder song, "Postulate," which appeared on the On Solo Ways... outfake album,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARju6V9qyMc</ref> was revealed to be an alternate version of the Minimal Compact song Clock Bird.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXF_BzS2B8s</ref>
* '''The Hitmen''': British band featuring Alan Wilder on keyboards; some believe the lead singer Ben Watkins' voice is similar to the lost song.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/18lu1fk/comment/ke467d1/</ref>


''EDIT and CORRECTION: Hello. Even though it was a little late, I received an answer from my friend Tansu, and I couldn't write immediately because I was on a trip.''
=== Debunked ===


''I sent him the link with the 3 demos and said, "These are your songs, aren't they? These recordings are circulating as Alan Wilder's demo recordings." In his reply, he said that the vocals were incredibly similar to his vocals, but that these songs did not belong to them. He also used the word "Treadmill" mentioned in the song in one of his songs, but in a different way.''
* '''Voyagers''': Turkish band investigated due to similar style and vocals, confirmed to have not made the song.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/1cxw50z/comment/l5mywev/?share_id=CiwA0Kiv3g2nU16QwxjQf</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/23196533715/permalink/10160042603513716/?comment_id=10160044934578716</ref>


''I'm trying to alleviate some of the embarrassment I feel for writing so confidently that these recordings belong to Voyagers, since I somehow remember the word "Treadmill" on his song and the vocals are so similar that even he was confused. Frankly, I was very deceived because I kept telling Tansu that her vocals were bad and I never even considered the idea that such a bad vocal could have a twin. (I still can't believe)''
== Lyrics ==
 
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" role="presentation"
''Anyway; While trying to correct one mistake, I caused another. I apologize to anyone who saw my first comment -below-. At least the wrong information should not be spread any further.''
|'''[Chorus]'''
 
''Old and wrong comment: Unbelievable 😃This demo has nothing to do with Alan Wilder. This is an amateur New Wave band called "Voyagers" from Turkey. It was a band founded in 90's by 3 friends from the same neighborhood (in Istanbul) who studied at different universities and loved Depeche Mode: Tansu(vocal+synths), Gökhan(synths) and Akan(synths).''
 
''How do I know? Tansu and I were going to the same university, we even met and became friends because we wore the same Violator t-shirt, and he was always making me listen to this and similar records of his. I used to criticize him all the time because I didn't like the way he sang the lyrics and his vocals (I still don't like it lol)''
 
''Tansu had also posted a few recordings on YouTube somewhere, but there are so many (unrelated) Voyagers that I can't find what I'm looking for.''


''What I don't understand; What kind of moron is it to find such a bad recording (which I'm sure they released it under the name Voyagers), ignore/erase the name Voyagers and claim that it is Alan Wilder's demo?''”
Memorybank could be the biggest lead right now, but it has gone cold with no progress in the last six months.
== Lyrics ==
I want to get up now
I want to get up now


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Not sure of it all anymore
Not sure of it all anymore
'''[Verse 1]'''


Tied to the treadmill of time
Tied to the treadmill of time
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I've lost that hidden sense  
I've lost that hidden sense  
'''[Chorus]'''


I want to get up now
I want to get up now
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Not sure of it all anymore
Not sure of it all anymore
'''[Verse 2]'''


Hands on the clock face turn 'round
Hands on the clock face turn 'round
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Getting older, moving fast
Getting older, moving fast


Sands in hourglass fall down
Sands in the hourglass fall down


Letting go of times passed
Letting go of times passed
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They could simply be denied
They could simply be denied
'''[Bridge]'''


I've been waiting for
I've been waiting for
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I seem to want more
I seem to want more
'''[Chorus]'''


I want to get up now
I want to get up now
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Not sure of it all anymore
Not sure of it all anymore
|}


== References ==
== References ==
* [https://youtu.be/jh4uAv3tYqo?feature=shared https://youtu.be/jh4uAv3tYqo Original Youtube upload]
*[https://dmlive.wiki/wiki/Demos_%26_Studio_Outtakes/Fake_tracks#Chart_Rundown Depeche Mode wiki entry]
 
*[https://www.reddit.com/r/TreadmillofTimeSong/s/wDqky6LqbW Subreddit]
*  [https://youtu.be/_6n2yJFOAns?feature=shared https://youtu.be/_6n2yJFOAns q upload]
 
*  [https://dmlive.wiki/wiki/Demos_%26_Studio_Outtakes/Fake_tracks#Chart_Rundown source of the recording]
 
* [https://youtu.be/doJlAjqzB8o?feature=shared https://youtu.be/doJlAjqzB8o Voyagers song for comparison]
 
*
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TreadmillofTimeSong/s/wDqky6LqbW subreddit]


[[Category:Underidentified]]
[[Category:Underidentified]]
<references />
[[Category:Synth-pop]]
[[Category:Post punk]]

Latest revision as of 21:47, 18 August 2024

ⓘ This lostwave is classified as nearly solved.

Treadmill Of Time
Genre Synthpop/Post-Punk
Length 4.39
Year 1981 (falsely claimed)
Status Nearly Solved
Original poster CharlieMillesManson
Search started 2002
File:Treadmilloftime.mp3

Treadmill of Time (also known as "Slow Down" and "Not Sure Of It All Anymore" ) is a mysterious synthpop song misattributed to Depeche Mode under the name "Treadmill of Fire", with the false claim that it was a 1981 demo by keyboardist Alan Wilder.

Background[edit | edit source]

On April 25th, 2002, the song was first mentioned on the internet by a Slovakian Depeche Mode fansite, depechemode-sk.[1] It was labelled a fake song because it appeared on a 2002 bootleg Depeche Mode album titled "On Solo Ways...".[2]

On September 8th, 2010, YouTube user CharlieMillesManson first uploaded the song to YouTube with the false title "Depeche Mode - Treadmill Of Fire (Demo Version)", along with numerous other rare Depeche Mode songs.[3]

On October 15th, 2019, the song was posted to spiritofradio.ca, claiming that it, along with two other songs from the bootleg album, Chart Rundown and Here to Have Fun, were originally sourced from a radio broadcast from the mid-1980s or early 1990s, with the DJ or host claiming Alan Wilder as the creator.[4] The broadcast also included "Disco Hell," an actual early track from Wilder's band,[5] "Daphne and the Tenderspots." The station and broadcaster remain unknown.

Leads[edit | edit source]

Possible[edit | edit source]

  • Memorybank: A recent lead has raised the possibility of an unknown band known as "Memorybank" or "Memorial" being the creators of the song. This started when someone using the YouTube handle "Nik Lawrence" left a now-deleted comment claiming to know the band. He told the search team that he recognized the group as "Memorial" and that "T Addy" and "J Lewis" of Southampton were most likely the ones who recorded it in 1988.[6] In February 2023, someone named Tim Addy was contacted and claimed to be involved, but used a different name for the band. calling it "Memorybank".[7] The person who claims to be Tim Addy or Nik Lawrence has not provided any additional evidence proving that Memorybank created the song, and no proof that the band existed has been discovered.[6] However, a person named Nik Lawrence from Hampshire, England, was proven to exist from a Depeche Mode fan magazine from 1989.[8][9]
  • Deca Dance: Australian band investigated due to similar style and vocals[10]
  • Minimal Compact: Israeli band investigated after another fake Alan Wilder song, "Postulate," which appeared on the On Solo Ways... outfake album,[11] was revealed to be an alternate version of the Minimal Compact song Clock Bird.[12]
  • The Hitmen: British band featuring Alan Wilder on keyboards; some believe the lead singer Ben Watkins' voice is similar to the lost song.[13]

Debunked[edit | edit source]

  • Voyagers: Turkish band investigated due to similar style and vocals, confirmed to have not made the song.[14][15]

Lyrics[edit | edit source]

References[edit | edit source]

  1. ↑ https://www-depechemode-sk.translate.goog/magazin/clanok/zaujimavosti-o-depeche-mode-1-cast?_x_tr_sl=sk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
  2. ↑ https://forum.klix.ba/muzika-f19/depeche-mode-t59965.html
  3. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOdQFm_ZRI
  4. ↑ https://spiritofradio.ca/SongComments.asp?SongID=3190
  5. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FBLAfawIQ
  6. ↑ 6.0 6.1 https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/18lu1fk/treadmill_of_time_fire_consolidated_info/
  7. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftreadmill-of-time-fire-consolidated-info-v0-ha4yen83q67c1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D223c6fbafe6865c188054c01cd86da9df8e8c022
  8. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/18lu1fk/comment/ke0rdzx/
  9. ↑ https://dmlive.wiki/wiki/BONG_6
  10. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/1aypp3w/posible_lead_to_treadmille_of_time_decadance/?rdt=45597
  11. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARju6V9qyMc
  12. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXF_BzS2B8s
  13. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/18lu1fk/comment/ke467d1/
  14. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/1cxw50z/comment/l5mywev/?share_id=CiwA0Kiv3g2nU16QwxjQf
  15. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/23196533715/permalink/10160042603513716/?comment_id=10160044934578716
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